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09 Aug 2021 02:26:04
Looks like Willock will be moving for around ~22m. Pretty good deal for both sides, don't think he was quite up to the level we needed him to be to take us back to top 4, but I'm rooting for him all the same.

Eddie is also rumoured to be nearing a sale to Brighton for around 20m. I think he will be huge for them, they need a clinical finisher and that's him to a T. Can see him nabbing 15+ easily for them.

Bellerin hopefully soon to follow (I live in hope we see the back of Willian too but at this stage looks like he's going to be ESR's backup) .

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1.) 09 Aug 2021 09:59:17
Hey wire, just a couple of observations mate.
I don’t like the Willock sale and I’ll tell you why. He wants to make it at Arsenal. He’s and Arsenal boy. He cares more than any of these so called snr players who allegedly have already made it as regulars putting on the shirt.
Funny thing tho, in his 5mths at Newcastle he has out performed and outscored our so called regulars who play in the same position against the same opposition in the same league. You could actually combine the contribution of ALL our players in CM and they havnt done in 3 seasons what he done under a different coach at a so called lesser club. Yet we’re selling one of our own and persisting with guys who were leaving a couple of weeks ago who have consistently under performed at this level and, unlike Willock, have little or no scope for improvement with time and experience.
We’re selling a guy who has nearly outscored our entire team in the last 7 games of the season and persisting with the dross.
As for Nketiah. If that’s true that he’s off to Brighton and somehow manages 15 league goals, that’ll mean it’s 2 more than our top scorer last season. I can’t see that myself but again it’s selling one of our own who’s invested in the club to persist with others in his position who wouldn’t hesitate to move right now for bigger contracts.
This club is in disarray.


2.) 09 Aug 2021 10:12:20
Despite liking both Willock and Eddie (mainly for being developed at the club) , I can't say i'm overly sad to see them leave. If they were that great we'd have bigger clubs than Newcastle and Brighton (respectively) knocking the door to snap them up. We all yearn for Champions League to return, for that to happen we need to shift on a lot of players and be ruthless. I think this will take the Xmas and next summers window until the squad takes a better shape.


3.) 09 Aug 2021 10:14:07
I'm with you on Willock, Shambo but I think he's a casualty of us not being able to move on Torreira, Gendouzi, Willian, Xhaka and the other dross we have. Hopefully there's a buy back clause but I doubt it.
I don't think Nketiah will score 15 goals a season at Brighton.


4.) 09 Aug 2021 11:03:29
Completely agree Shambo. Stupid decision.


5.) 09 Aug 2021 12:26:12
To me, Arsenal's biggest problem over the last few years has been hanging on to talent for too long and seeing the value plummet. It happened with Ainsley, we were offered 20m by Wolves only to keep him and then barely play him. I have seen a lot of Willock, and I think he's a natural goalscorer, but we need outgoings and some returns on our sales more than we need to keep him.


6.) 09 Aug 2021 12:50:14
It's Arteta decision be it a good or bad one, one things for certain and that's than if Arteta isn't going to play him then it's better for us and Joe he moves on and Arteta buys someone he is going to play.

Arteta is in change and right or wrong he has to either prove himself able or unable to get us into the top 5 minimum.


7.) 09 Aug 2021 12:56:09
You sound like you are teetering between the depression and acceptance stage of grief, g62.


8.) 09 Aug 2021 13:45:13
If selling Willock brings in Maddison/ Silva/ Aouar/ Guimaraes, then i'm all for it. If selling Eddie brings in a new striker then great, but i'm not as confident on this front. Abraham doesn't fill me with excitement but i'm not sure who else they are realistically looking at. Martinez was a dream that was never going to happen. Either way, the club needs to raise funds, but as G62 states, its on Artetas head that he makes the right call. If both are moved on, it has to be for improvements to come in.


9.) 09 Aug 2021 13:54:50
I personally think we take the money. Yes he scored goals for Newcastle but he thrived in a completely different system to the one we want to play. he scored goals mainly coming from counter attacks whereas its clear arteta wants us to dominate possession and pin back teams - in these situations Willock won't have the space and time to score the types of goal he has for Newcastle. I personally don't think he's good enough on the ball/ creative enough to play #10 for us, and equally I don't think he's solid enough defensively to play in the double pivot (would also be a waste of his ability in front of goal) so imo best thing to do is sell him and reinvest that into a midfielder who suits our play style a lot more.


10.) 09 Aug 2021 14:01:24
Hi Wire mate, no depression more grief very thankfully mate, just acceptance of reality.

Arteta as manager calls the shots and that's the way it should be, what comes from his choices and decisions will decide Artetas future, and that too is the way it should be.

If he makes us top 5 I'm happy for him to stay, if he doesn't I'm happy to see him replaced, either way i'm happy mate 😎.


11.) 09 Aug 2021 20:51:59
It’s a sad situation but when you need to raise funds you end up having to sell the China whilst keeping hold of the chipped cups. Willock is being sold purely because he can raise 20m, whereas Xhaka, Torreira, Elneny and many others can’t.


 

 

25 Jun 2021 01:00:42
Mavropanos move to Stuttgart looks to be official now - on loan with an obligation to buy if they don't get relegated, and an option to buy if they do. 5m in total with a sell-on clause.

Good luck to him. Never really got a fair shot at Arsenal IMO and I hope he does well.

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1.) 25 Jun 2021 09:58:14
Wasn't he one of Sven's findings? I thought he looked decent. Like you say though, wasn't given a fair crack at the first team. But of a shame really.


2.) 25 Jun 2021 14:37:13
He was a Sven signing. Was often injured. Hope he comes good, best of luck to him.


 

 

25 May 2021 13:06:42
Ornstein reporting that Buendia and Norwich have mutually agreed that he can move on. Currently the clubs showing the most interest are Arsenal, and Villa who want to play him next to Grealish. Norwich are said to want at least £40m.

Edu and Arteta view him as the preferred option if they can't bring in Odegaard. Ornstein doesn't mention whether we would accept another loan.

We are also apparently prioritising right centre-back, specifically Jules Kounde, but this is unlikely as he will cost around £50 million and is likely to want Champions League football.

Norwich are apparently also willing to let Aarons and Cantwell go for the right price.

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1.) 25 May 2021 17:15:19
Rather have him than odergard.


2.) 25 May 2021 21:32:31
I'm not sure Odegaard did enough on loan. Seemed a fairly average player, and we've already got plenty of those!


 

 

15 Aug 2020 03:20:38
Interesting news from ESPN today that Arsenal, led by Edu, are doing an internal investigation of the Pepe transfer. I think everyone was shocked by the amount - seems it wasn't just us fans.

Of course, the investigation might be more along the lines of "why did we sign Pepe when we could have signed a Joorabchian client" :' (.

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1.) 15 Aug 2020 10:28:39
So Edu is conducting an investigation into the role he and his fellow decision making team handled the Pepe transfer?
I've a feeling they will come out of it covered in roses somehow :-) .
Wow they must be short of stuff to do :-)


2.) 15 Aug 2020 12:43:29
Might be related to Raul leaving. Perhaps he took a cut under the table? Don't want to speculate but it does seem very drastic. Not that I'm shedding any tears, mind you.


3.) 15 Aug 2020 20:27:13
Or perhaps Raul was called back at Barcelona?


4.) 15 Aug 2020 22:45:42
Fair point that desi.


 

 

07 Aug 2020 01:23:05
Reports coming out that the Auba contract renewal set to be confirmed in the coming days. Willian announcement to follow.

Never felt so lukewarm about a big signing before. Sigh.

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{Ed0666's Note - it really does beggar belief to give Willian $400k a month when you could get a promising kiddie on a fraction of those wages who would probably do the same job. Eds 002’s insights into the financial running at you’re club are fascinating. That Edu seems like he’s doing an awful job. He makes Rick Parry look like Monchi.


1.) 07 Aug 2020 02:59:03
I think this is the main reason why so many of us Arsenal fans are so sick of Kroenke. It's not the lack of spending that's the problem, we
clearly do spend (and badly) . Clubs like Liverpool have shown that if you invest well then you can compete with the best.
It's the way he operates the club, no accountability, no transparency, no soul. We have a bunch of shysters running the club who only care about their own pockets. It's the work of an asset stripper, a mafioso, someone who doesn't care about what the Arsenal has come to represent over the past 30 years and what the fans love about football. Might sound harsh but I do not recognise the club I began supporting decades ago.

{Ed0666's Note - I feel you’re pain mate. Not trying to rub salt into the wounds but at least you had a modicum of accountability and dignity when Mr Wenger was running the show from top to bottom now it seems like you have the lunatics running the asylum. I honestly think you wouldn’t be in this horror show had wenger stayed in some capacity. The way he was hounded out of you’re club still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and Im a Liverpool fan.


2.) 07 Aug 2020 09:56:54
I have to agree - we used to be able to say we were a class act but this move feels rotten whichever way you approach it from.

It also staggers me that they couldn’t find a better spin than ‘it will free up money for transfers’. They could have simply said ‘we are re-structuring our scouting network’.

It doesn’t feel like we have the best minds from what are supposed to be commercially savvy business types as opposed to ‘football people’ in those roles. I think this is where we do miss someone like David Dein, Arsene Wenger, Tony Adams - just someone who cares about the club and how it is represented.

We have no Arsenal DNA. Bad, bad times.


3.) 07 Aug 2020 12:44:25
While I feel sorry for the 55 people, as I understand it our staffing was somewhat bloated so maybe this is sensible. Willian may well prove to be a master stroke. Yes his salary is high but not transfer fee and you have a proven winner in the Premiership. And keeping Auba was a necessity. I am not (and have never really been) a fan of Coutinho so I hope that doesn't happen. Also in all cases I don't want your emerging young players to be kept out. But for years now we have been told we have the best group of youngsters in the land but very few pan out so trying to get the right balance is imperative. For my money, I like where we are going and I believe Arteta is the perfect manager for Arsenal.


4.) 07 Aug 2020 15:11:43
Stats show that in less games Martinelli was far better than Willian. Not sure why we are going for him.

{Ed002's Note - Because of Kia.}


5.) 07 Aug 2020 20:22:24
Is that really what we are offering? 😮 Have we learnt nothing from ozil and sanchez.


6.) 07 Aug 2020 20:32:41
I hope kia doesn't have a load of one direction T shirts or 100s of boxes of old cycling shorts he's stuck with in his garage or our players are going to look really silly taking the field next season.


7.) 07 Aug 2020 19:42:56
@ED0666 - Was that sarcasm with the wages? Cause Willian was at 120K at Chelsea and rumours are of him signing a 100K deal with us.
For the experience it's a fair price. Agree that we should be looking young but - We already have Pepe/ Reiss/ Martinelli/ Saka and don't want to impede their chances maybe. Willian is just an experience backup is my hunch.

If this happens- Reiss might be loaned out in Jan-Feb maybe.

{Ed0666's Note - No Kasvan I wasn’t being sarcastic I’m being deadly serious. Willian was on 120k at Chelsea but they only offered him a year or two year extension you’ve given him 3 years so works out much more in the long term. I really think it’s an absurd transfer I really do as you could have got say an experienced 26 year old on similar wages who still would be in his prime in 3 years. I think what I’m trying to say he’s not worth the outlay especially given you’re financial circumstances.


 

 

 

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09 May 2022 12:52:34
Elneny being offered a new contract as per The Athletic. I'm pleased, he's exactly what every club needs, a steady professional who doesn't make a fuss and is happy to step in, especially when we will be spread so thin across Europe and domestic leagues.

Still remember clearly that peach of a strike against Barcelona, what a hit that was.

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1.) 09 May 2022 13:55:06
For me personally Elneny has done more than enough and either Partey or Xhaka should partner him.

Personally I think you should pick players on performance and not by price tag or profile.


 

 

11 Jan 2022 23:23:58
The other day against Forest really exposed how silly it is to keep these ageing squad players who are depreciating in value.

If we cannot rely on Cedric and Holding to be reliable against lower league teams, and every year that goes by reduces their transfer value, why do we keep them? I don't think it's a stretch to ask the club to play the cups the Wenger way, fielding a youth team sprinkled with a couple of leaders.

That said, I loved the run-out for Patino but he didn't get enough support. He and Sambi both looked too green without someone like Ainsley or Xhaka to back them up.

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1.) 11 Jan 2022 23:36:26
Was White any better?

Where are these leaders?


2.) 12 Jan 2022 00:52:12
White has proven he's first team material, though, and put in lots of great performances in the league for us. I don't think I've been impressed by Cedric or Holding in a very long time.


3.) 12 Jan 2022 09:29:03
I think White has been decent for us too Wire mate.

I personally think it's unrealistic to throw a bunch of players together and expect excellence from them, it's difficult for an individual to produce excellence when not getting regular football but when you ask a bunch of individuals to come together and blend instantly you are asking a lot. Sometimes it happens but quiete often it doesn't.
A squad that is light in quality has to make choices where it's priority lays, lots of teams fighting relegation chose league survival over a cup run.


4.) 12 Jan 2022 10:35:36
Very fair g62. Perhaps you are right, that we can't expect squad players to look the part without the minutes to build on. At the same time, players like Tavares and Nketiah have been getting a fair whack this season and still managed to make a right mess of the last match.


5.) 12 Jan 2022 12:35:08
Chambers should go if he can't get in the team ahead of Cedric!


6.) 12 Jan 2022 13:36:04
I just think it's difficult when you make so many changes in one go, 1 or 2 can fit in with other players who have already established an understanding together but sticking a mish mash all together and expecting instant excellence is unrealistic.

If you play the under 23s who play together each week plus a couple of experienced players at least they already have an understanding of each other before the game.

As we all know lots of fans want and expect to win every game and if that doesn't happen they get upset and look for someone or something to blame.

If our best 11 gave that performance we'd definitely have something to worry about ?.


7.) 12 Jan 2022 23:03:45
For me, we mostly suffered with a massively weakened midfield. The defence had no one to distribute the ball to, hence why White and Holding ended up having to carry the ball forward far too much. Never thought I would say this but perhaps we missed Xhaka? Movement up front was also poor, and for me it showed the difference between Ode and ESR. Ode needs others to spark, if they do, he will find them, if they don’t, he is devoid of ideas. ESR is the spark, either on or off the ball, we really missed his presence and drive.


8.) 12 Jan 2022 23:33:19
ERS was our player of the Season before Ode was preferred, from game 1 v Brentford ERS stood out when others struggled badly.

Strange footballing decision but 30 million reasons to make it for other reasons.


 

 

22 Aug 2021 23:54:06
Tactically I could see what we were trying to do today. Use Lokonga and Xhaka to slip ESR past Jorginho or put Pepe/ Saka into the half space between the wide CB and the fullback. At times this led to some huge spaces to exploit and was a lot better than our attacking performance against Brentford but we just couldn't manage to get a shot away most of the time.

Unfortunately as far as a coherent strategy goes, that's about it. There's no sense trying to overload the wings if you can't put anyone in the middle to take advantage of that. We're so afraid of simple attacking moves like a one-two or a slipped through ball that when it happens you're more shocked than pleased. It will get worse with City next week - I expect us to get thrashed - but it should start to get better after with Odegaard involved.

I'll never call for a manager's head, I believe in supporting the team in almost all circumstances, but we have realistically until Boxing day until the club have to make a decision. As Chelsea showed with Tuchel it's never too late when things aren't working.

wire

1.) 23 Aug 2021 05:44:42
I don't think
We have a way of playing to be fair mate we definitely don't have a way of defending that's for sure.


 

 

13 Aug 2021 20:46:47
Was not ready for us to look quite this hopeless. We are really struggling.

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1.) 13 Aug 2021 21:12:27
It is farcical.


2.) 13 Aug 2021 21:39:25
Not seen any change from last year winning last 5 games of last season just papering over the cracks happens every season. smith Rowe tierney and lakonga only ones who’ve done anything. god knows what Leno is doing on the 2nd goal come and claim it for gods sake.


3.) 13 Aug 2021 21:29:54
Shocking.


 

 

20 May 2021 02:49:08
I think we got out of jail a bit in that game. We were absolutely dire in the second half. It was our classic approach of endlessly passing the ball in a big C shape between the wide players and the deep midfielders. I worry that the issue was not as bleedingly obvious to Arteta as it was to everyone else. We never actually put anyone in the box for those cutbacks, Partey and Elneny were about 10 yards behind the passage of play and Auba was having a stinker.

Also, Chambers was our best chance creator. He was fantastic again today.

wire

1.) 20 May 2021 07:46:41
Very true, it was very frustrating to watch, some of chambers work was excellent, he’s certainly improved.


 

 

 

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21 Apr 2022 00:39:56
How often do we manage to poach a player Real or Bayern are after? Never would be my guess.

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17 Mar 2022 23:10:30
Chatted with some Boro fans who think he has lots of potential, but needs another loan to toughen up. Definitely not ready for the first team yet though.

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17 Mar 2022 23:09:06
I would be disappointed if we broke from transfer policy for Hazard of all players. He's been hopeless since leaving Chelsea.

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11 Mar 2022 20:57:05
I don't mind that he brings media attention. He holds a corrupt and inept government to account and that should be encouraged.

However, I'm not sure he's a great fit for us and despite being a talented player he's not what we need. Our striking search should focus on someone more along the lines of Giroud or Laca but with more end product.

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31 Jan 2022 21:25:35
I'm with Malaga, we had Auba haunting the place like a well paid ghost. Better for the players he isn't there, he has been awful for 18 months.

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19 May 2022 04:14:59
Conte is an obvious example of how you can still make defensive football successful and exciting.

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11 May 2022 13:49:54
Bang on Sharpe.

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02 May 2022 11:16:13
4 different competitions next season. We will need Xhaka's experience, even if he doesn't start every big game.

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27 Apr 2022 11:42:01
A top striker, a young up and coming option, plus Biereth up from the reserves would do me for strikers. Bissouma, a young LB to compete with Tavarez, and a backup GK to replace Leno and I think we'd be sorted.

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21 Apr 2022 00:41:36
Xhaka was incredible. Ever since Partey came into form Xhaka has been brilliant for us, covered really well for a rusty Elneny too. Club made the right decision offering him a new contract. Striker has to be our highest priority now.

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