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09 Aug 2021 02:26:04
Looks like Willock will be moving for around ~22m. Pretty good deal for both sides, don't think he was quite up to the level we needed him to be to take us back to top 4, but I'm rooting for him all the same.

Eddie is also rumoured to be nearing a sale to Brighton for around 20m. I think he will be huge for them, they need a clinical finisher and that's him to a T. Can see him nabbing 15+ easily for them.

Bellerin hopefully soon to follow (I live in hope we see the back of Willian too but at this stage looks like he's going to be ESR's backup) .


1.) 09 Aug 2021 09:59:17
Hey wire, just a couple of observations mate.
I don’t like the Willock sale and I’ll tell you why. He wants to make it at Arsenal. He’s and Arsenal boy. He cares more than any of these so called snr players who allegedly have already made it as regulars putting on the shirt.
Funny thing tho, in his 5mths at Newcastle he has out performed and outscored our so called regulars who play in the same position against the same opposition in the same league. You could actually combine the contribution of ALL our players in CM and they havnt done in 3 seasons what he done under a different coach at a so called lesser club. Yet we’re selling one of our own and persisting with guys who were leaving a couple of weeks ago who have consistently under performed at this level and, unlike Willock, have little or no scope for improvement with time and experience.
We’re selling a guy who has nearly outscored our entire team in the last 7 games of the season and persisting with the dross.
As for Nketiah. If that’s true that he’s off to Brighton and somehow manages 15 league goals, that’ll mean it’s 2 more than our top scorer last season. I can’t see that myself but again it’s selling one of our own who’s invested in the club to persist with others in his position who wouldn’t hesitate to move right now for bigger contracts.
This club is in disarray.

2.) 09 Aug 2021 10:12:20
Despite liking both Willock and Eddie (mainly for being developed at the club) , I can't say i'm overly sad to see them leave. If they were that great we'd have bigger clubs than Newcastle and Brighton (respectively) knocking the door to snap them up. We all yearn for Champions League to return, for that to happen we need to shift on a lot of players and be ruthless. I think this will take the Xmas and next summers window until the squad takes a better shape.

3.) 09 Aug 2021 10:14:07
I'm with you on Willock, Shambo but I think he's a casualty of us not being able to move on Torreira, Gendouzi, Willian, Xhaka and the other dross we have. Hopefully there's a buy back clause but I doubt it.
I don't think Nketiah will score 15 goals a season at Brighton.

4.) 09 Aug 2021 11:03:29
Completely agree Shambo. Stupid decision.

5.) 09 Aug 2021 12:26:12
To me, Arsenal's biggest problem over the last few years has been hanging on to talent for too long and seeing the value plummet. It happened with Ainsley, we were offered 20m by Wolves only to keep him and then barely play him. I have seen a lot of Willock, and I think he's a natural goalscorer, but we need outgoings and some returns on our sales more than we need to keep him.

6.) 09 Aug 2021 12:50:14
It's Arteta decision be it a good or bad one, one things for certain and that's than if Arteta isn't going to play him then it's better for us and Joe he moves on and Arteta buys someone he is going to play.

Arteta is in change and right or wrong he has to either prove himself able or unable to get us into the top 5 minimum.

7.) 09 Aug 2021 12:56:09
You sound like you are teetering between the depression and acceptance stage of grief, g62.

8.) 09 Aug 2021 13:45:13
If selling Willock brings in Maddison/ Silva/ Aouar/ Guimaraes, then i'm all for it. If selling Eddie brings in a new striker then great, but i'm not as confident on this front. Abraham doesn't fill me with excitement but i'm not sure who else they are realistically looking at. Martinez was a dream that was never going to happen. Either way, the club needs to raise funds, but as G62 states, its on Artetas head that he makes the right call. If both are moved on, it has to be for improvements to come in.

9.) 09 Aug 2021 13:54:50
I personally think we take the money. Yes he scored goals for Newcastle but he thrived in a completely different system to the one we want to play. he scored goals mainly coming from counter attacks whereas its clear arteta wants us to dominate possession and pin back teams - in these situations Willock won't have the space and time to score the types of goal he has for Newcastle. I personally don't think he's good enough on the ball/ creative enough to play #10 for us, and equally I don't think he's solid enough defensively to play in the double pivot (would also be a waste of his ability in front of goal) so imo best thing to do is sell him and reinvest that into a midfielder who suits our play style a lot more.

10.) 09 Aug 2021 14:01:24
Hi Wire mate, no depression more grief very thankfully mate, just acceptance of reality.

Arteta as manager calls the shots and that's the way it should be, what comes from his choices and decisions will decide Artetas future, and that too is the way it should be.

If he makes us top 5 I'm happy for him to stay, if he doesn't I'm happy to see him replaced, either way i'm happy mate 😎.

11.) 09 Aug 2021 20:51:59
It’s a sad situation but when you need to raise funds you end up having to sell the China whilst keeping hold of the chipped cups. Willock is being sold purely because he can raise 20m, whereas Xhaka, Torreira, Elneny and many others can’t.



25 Jun 2021 01:00:42
Mavropanos move to Stuttgart looks to be official now - on loan with an obligation to buy if they don't get relegated, and an option to buy if they do. 5m in total with a sell-on clause.

Good luck to him. Never really got a fair shot at Arsenal IMO and I hope he does well.


1.) 25 Jun 2021 09:58:14
Wasn't he one of Sven's findings? I thought he looked decent. Like you say though, wasn't given a fair crack at the first team. But of a shame really.

2.) 25 Jun 2021 14:37:13
He was a Sven signing. Was often injured. Hope he comes good, best of luck to him.



25 May 2021 13:06:42
Ornstein reporting that Buendia and Norwich have mutually agreed that he can move on. Currently the clubs showing the most interest are Arsenal, and Villa who want to play him next to Grealish. Norwich are said to want at least £40m.

Edu and Arteta view him as the preferred option if they can't bring in Odegaard. Ornstein doesn't mention whether we would accept another loan.

We are also apparently prioritising right centre-back, specifically Jules Kounde, but this is unlikely as he will cost around £50 million and is likely to want Champions League football.

Norwich are apparently also willing to let Aarons and Cantwell go for the right price.


1.) 25 May 2021 17:15:19
Rather have him than odergard.

2.) 25 May 2021 21:32:31
I'm not sure Odegaard did enough on loan. Seemed a fairly average player, and we've already got plenty of those!



15 Aug 2020 03:20:38
Interesting news from ESPN today that Arsenal, led by Edu, are doing an internal investigation of the Pepe transfer. I think everyone was shocked by the amount - seems it wasn't just us fans.

Of course, the investigation might be more along the lines of "why did we sign Pepe when we could have signed a Joorabchian client" :' (.


1.) 15 Aug 2020 10:28:39
So Edu is conducting an investigation into the role he and his fellow decision making team handled the Pepe transfer?
I've a feeling they will come out of it covered in roses somehow :-) .
Wow they must be short of stuff to do :-)

2.) 15 Aug 2020 12:43:29
Might be related to Raul leaving. Perhaps he took a cut under the table? Don't want to speculate but it does seem very drastic. Not that I'm shedding any tears, mind you.

3.) 15 Aug 2020 20:27:13
Or perhaps Raul was called back at Barcelona?

4.) 15 Aug 2020 22:45:42
Fair point that desi.



07 Aug 2020 01:23:05
Reports coming out that the Auba contract renewal set to be confirmed in the coming days. Willian announcement to follow.

Never felt so lukewarm about a big signing before. Sigh.


{Ed0666's Note - it really does beggar belief to give Willian $400k a month when you could get a promising kiddie on a fraction of those wages who would probably do the same job. Eds 002’s insights into the financial running at you’re club are fascinating. That Edu seems like he’s doing an awful job. He makes Rick Parry look like Monchi.

1.) 07 Aug 2020 02:59:03
I think this is the main reason why so many of us Arsenal fans are so sick of Kroenke. It's not the lack of spending that's the problem, we
clearly do spend (and badly) . Clubs like Liverpool have shown that if you invest well then you can compete with the best.
It's the way he operates the club, no accountability, no transparency, no soul. We have a bunch of shysters running the club who only care about their own pockets. It's the work of an asset stripper, a mafioso, someone who doesn't care about what the Arsenal has come to represent over the past 30 years and what the fans love about football. Might sound harsh but I do not recognise the club I began supporting decades ago.

{Ed0666's Note - I feel you’re pain mate. Not trying to rub salt into the wounds but at least you had a modicum of accountability and dignity when Mr Wenger was running the show from top to bottom now it seems like you have the lunatics running the asylum. I honestly think you wouldn’t be in this horror show had wenger stayed in some capacity. The way he was hounded out of you’re club still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and Im a Liverpool fan.

2.) 07 Aug 2020 09:56:54
I have to agree - we used to be able to say we were a class act but this move feels rotten whichever way you approach it from.

It also staggers me that they couldn’t find a better spin than ‘it will free up money for transfers’. They could have simply said ‘we are re-structuring our scouting network’.

It doesn’t feel like we have the best minds from what are supposed to be commercially savvy business types as opposed to ‘football people’ in those roles. I think this is where we do miss someone like David Dein, Arsene Wenger, Tony Adams - just someone who cares about the club and how it is represented.

We have no Arsenal DNA. Bad, bad times.

3.) 07 Aug 2020 12:44:25
While I feel sorry for the 55 people, as I understand it our staffing was somewhat bloated so maybe this is sensible. Willian may well prove to be a master stroke. Yes his salary is high but not transfer fee and you have a proven winner in the Premiership. And keeping Auba was a necessity. I am not (and have never really been) a fan of Coutinho so I hope that doesn't happen. Also in all cases I don't want your emerging young players to be kept out. But for years now we have been told we have the best group of youngsters in the land but very few pan out so trying to get the right balance is imperative. For my money, I like where we are going and I believe Arteta is the perfect manager for Arsenal.

4.) 07 Aug 2020 15:11:43
Stats show that in less games Martinelli was far better than Willian. Not sure why we are going for him.

{Ed002's Note - Because of Kia.}

5.) 07 Aug 2020 20:22:24
Is that really what we are offering? 😮 Have we learnt nothing from ozil and sanchez.

6.) 07 Aug 2020 20:32:41
I hope kia doesn't have a load of one direction T shirts or 100s of boxes of old cycling shorts he's stuck with in his garage or our players are going to look really silly taking the field next season.

7.) 07 Aug 2020 19:42:56
@ED0666 - Was that sarcasm with the wages? Cause Willian was at 120K at Chelsea and rumours are of him signing a 100K deal with us.
For the experience it's a fair price. Agree that we should be looking young but - We already have Pepe/ Reiss/ Martinelli/ Saka and don't want to impede their chances maybe. Willian is just an experience backup is my hunch.

If this happens- Reiss might be loaned out in Jan-Feb maybe.

{Ed0666's Note - No Kasvan I wasn’t being sarcastic I’m being deadly serious. Willian was on 120k at Chelsea but they only offered him a year or two year extension you’ve given him 3 years so works out much more in the long term. I really think it’s an absurd transfer I really do as you could have got say an experienced 26 year old on similar wages who still would be in his prime in 3 years. I think what I’m trying to say he’s not worth the outlay especially given you’re financial circumstances.




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22 Aug 2021 23:54:06
Tactically I could see what we were trying to do today. Use Lokonga and Xhaka to slip ESR past Jorginho or put Pepe/ Saka into the half space between the wide CB and the fullback. At times this led to some huge spaces to exploit and was a lot better than our attacking performance against Brentford but we just couldn't manage to get a shot away most of the time.

Unfortunately as far as a coherent strategy goes, that's about it. There's no sense trying to overload the wings if you can't put anyone in the middle to take advantage of that. We're so afraid of simple attacking moves like a one-two or a slipped through ball that when it happens you're more shocked than pleased. It will get worse with City next week - I expect us to get thrashed - but it should start to get better after with Odegaard involved.

I'll never call for a manager's head, I believe in supporting the team in almost all circumstances, but we have realistically until Boxing day until the club have to make a decision. As Chelsea showed with Tuchel it's never too late when things aren't working.


1.) 23 Aug 2021 05:44:42
I don't think
We have a way of playing to be fair mate we definitely don't have a way of defending that's for sure.



13 Aug 2021 20:46:47
Was not ready for us to look quite this hopeless. We are really struggling.


1.) 13 Aug 2021 21:12:27
It is farcical.

2.) 13 Aug 2021 21:39:25
Not seen any change from last year winning last 5 games of last season just papering over the cracks happens every season. smith Rowe tierney and lakonga only ones who’ve done anything. god knows what Leno is doing on the 2nd goal come and claim it for gods sake.

3.) 13 Aug 2021 21:29:54



20 May 2021 02:49:08
I think we got out of jail a bit in that game. We were absolutely dire in the second half. It was our classic approach of endlessly passing the ball in a big C shape between the wide players and the deep midfielders. I worry that the issue was not as bleedingly obvious to Arteta as it was to everyone else. We never actually put anyone in the box for those cutbacks, Partey and Elneny were about 10 yards behind the passage of play and Auba was having a stinker.

Also, Chambers was our best chance creator. He was fantastic again today.


1.) 20 May 2021 07:46:41
Very true, it was very frustrating to watch, some of chambers work was excellent, he’s certainly improved.



15 May 2021 00:47:20
Hi Eds, any interest in Ritchie from Newcastle? I think he'd be a great back up for Tierney if we didn't use Saka there. Love his enthusiasm.


1.) 15 May 2021 14:03:44
Please, please, please tell me your joking.

2.) 16 May 2021 17:55:32
The old right footed ex bournemouth winger / midfielder? Sign him up.



10 May 2021 01:43:27
I must say despite how disappointing Arteta has been this season, I don't see much commentary on how similarly Carlo Ancelotti has performed. Everton spent an absurd amount over the last couple of seasons but the results haven't come at all. Neither club has come out of the last 9 months looking great.


1.) 10 May 2021 06:53:53
In 18/ 19 they were 16 points behind us
2019/ 20 they were 7 behind us
This season?

2.) 10 May 2021 08:09:36
It's the same with Liverpool and Spurs, 5 years ago they were well behind us too but now both consistently finish above us.

But hey ho, we are merely going through what will be looked back on as our stagnation period which happened to coincide with other clubs progressive years.

It was just us and United for a few years then Chelsea got it together and were followed by City and now a host of clubs have overtaken us as we simply stood still.

3.) 10 May 2021 09:04:44
I don’t see any point in comparing who has spent what, it’s about where we have fallen from and our own expectations, I’m not really bothered what others have spent, that won’t correct our appalling season.

4.) 10 May 2021 09:43:20
Personally I think we have been firing at 7/ 10 for years and for a decade that was enough for 4th or on odd occasions where others did particularly badly 2nd or 3rd.

Our problem is the other clubs refused to stand still and suddenly our 7/ 10 was only good enough for 6th and 5th and now 8th or 9th.

Money simply hasn't and won't fix our problems, only a coach/ manager who can organise motivate and get the players 100% behind him and his methods will get us back on track.

It's pretty obvious some players don't enjoy Arteta and if that was only players who've been at the club years he could simly replace them but when last summers star signings don't flourish under his management then why will this summers signings do so? Partey and Gabriel arrived good players.

5.) 10 May 2021 12:20:18
Realistically where do our ambitions lie?

While Man City and Chelsea can attract the outstanding players/ managers with their owners' millions do we really believe we will ever win the Premiership/ Champions League while their owners are still investing?

I think we should aim for the domestic trophies and to cultivate a wonderful-to-watch game with the aim of getting in the Champions League but not necessarily expecting to win it while we have the business set up we have.

For me, I would like to see beautiful football with players who play for the badge. What I find so disappointing atm is this doesn't seem to be the case with a lot of our guys.

Bring back the pride to play for this great club, Saka and ESR both have it in spades :)

6.) 10 May 2021 13:24:33
I can't remember and can't be bothered to Google it but when Klopp took over Liverpool did they have European football?

Best of my memory in think they finished 8th or something under Rodgers the previous season although it might have been 6th, but wherever they finished they weren't in a good place and they didn't have huge funds available, Klopp got the most out of what he had and sold and bought wisely and season by season improved them until they became European, World and finally premier league champions.

It can be done from where we are now but not with a yes man as manager.

7.) 10 May 2021 15:34:08
what we really need is new owners who share our interest and passion you get rid of Arteta and they will bring in Big Sam, I don't want that i don't think anyone else does either. I never wanted Arteta but once he became manager we have to get behind him he does not have the experience we like but for me he has not done much wrong. And if we don't have cut throat owners who will sack any manager for a wrong decision and replace him with someone better i'm Arteta in and Kronke out.

8.) 10 May 2021 17:05:24
Fair play G4 is all opinions mate.




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25 Aug 2021 05:12:09
Completely fabricated story from the gutter press I reckon, but it wouldn't be terrible. Edu has done fairly well this window with building a young core but the Willian deal and our inability to sell players for a reasonable sum hangs over the place like a bad smell.




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18 Aug 2021 23:04:32
I have to say, after watching Leno give up a goal at his near post then get bullied out of even contesting the long throw, I would be surprised if Ramsdale couldn't force his way into contention.
I am worried though - he'll be a target, like Leno, if we persist in trying to play out from the back so slowly.




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17 Aug 2021 22:28:31
Same here. He will improve us in the attacking third a lot.




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09 Aug 2021 12:56:09
You sound like you are teetering between the depression and acceptance stage of grief, g62.




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09 Aug 2021 12:26:12
To me, Arsenal's biggest problem over the last few years has been hanging on to talent for too long and seeing the value plummet. It happened with Ainsley, we were offered 20m by Wolves only to keep him and then barely play him. I have seen a lot of Willock, and I think he's a natural goalscorer, but we need outgoings and some returns on our sales more than we need to keep him.





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03 Sep 2021 14:22:46
LOL you can't make it up, Elneny injured in training today so the move is off. Supporting this club is a mental journey.




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03 Sep 2021 11:21:10
Speaking of which: BeÅŸiktaÅŸ have made an offer from Elneny. I think it would be best if he was allowed to go and we gave Ainsley some more gametime considering we blocked his Everton move.




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03 Sep 2021 01:56:32
I think he was more saying that Kolasinac and Elneny (perhaps among others) could still leave.




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02 Sep 2021 04:04:15
I agree with all of that and I have been absolutely in the Kroenke out camp for the past few years. As supporters we are within our rights to ask for someone who cares about the club enough to actually hold people accountable. Ditching Raul was a good first step but we haven't seen enough action on other troubling issues such as the Kia thing and our inability to negotiate properly with other clubs over sales.

This season is a write-off more or less - I would be happy with 6th and an upturn in our football, provided we actually look like we're building a team. It took Klopp a while to get the wheels of his team moving but you could see the vision they had, and they have become a juggernaut since then. We need to see the same from Arteta - that the time he's investing is getting the wheels going. If not, we need to make a decision soon. That is the kind of thing that is down to Kroenke. I don't hold too much against Arteta because the executive structure above him is a mess and as others have said Auba's decline in form just killed us, but there are things that are 100% down to him that need to be resolved ASAP if he should keep his job.




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02 Sep 2021 03:55:06
Hutchison may get a run in the league cup. I believe Joel Lopez is also very highly rated, one of the eds posted about him before.