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03 Feb 2020 16:00:03
Hi Ed, it sounds like Arsenal turned down the chance to sell Mesut Ozil despite Mikel backing the move.?

Is that true?

Why didn't it happen and why did they bid at the last minute.

Thanks.

SY4

{Ed002's Note - I don't know whether or not MA supported the move but Al Sadd's interest was very late in the day and that likely proved to be the issue. The proposed loan to another side was tentatively agrred before the window opened but also failed for onr reason or another. Arsenal really want him sold and not loaned. They will look to move him on in the summer.}


1.) 03 Feb 2020 20:39:18
Thanks Ed - frustrating an 11th hour offer comes in for a player we need to shift and we can’t close it out. If he’s not in the long term plans, don’t get why we didn’t cash in or why They waited so late to bid for MO10. Sounds like Lemar was an option for us. never mind at least we signed an injured left back and an unproven CD 😂😂

Quality window 😫.


2.) 04 Feb 2020 19:46:13
Or according to other outlets Artetta put a block to the move.
It's a shame we didn't break the bank in January and sign 3 or 4 household names at extortionate pilrices that could have helped us achieve 8th place this season:-) .
I suppose we will just have to settle for 10th place and use this season for Arteta to find out who he can and can't take forward into next season and beyond.


 

 

31 Jan 2020 19:20:35
Thomas Lemar Deal almost done?

SY4

1.) 01 Feb 2020 08:21:38
It was never even on the cards.


 

 

02 Jan 2020 20:03:11
Ed, just seems us linked with Nathan Ake. Are we interested and is he good enough?
Always looked decent but watched him enough to be honest.

SY4

{Ed002's Note - He would be very, very expensive for Arsenal. I am not aware of any approach.}


1.) 02 Jan 2020 20:47:08
Thank you Ed 002.


2.) 02 Jan 2020 22:09:49
I've always thought he had it in him to be a top top CB, no idea how much he would cost but didn't he cost Bournemouth £20 million in pre decimalisation days? You'd have thought Bournemouth would want a huge profit to part company.
I've said it before and I'll say it again Connor Coady would be a very useful addition.

{Ed047's Note - I edit most pages on here 62 and I’ve seen Coady referred to as Captain Calamity on the Wolves page. Just saying.


3.) 02 Jan 2020 22:32:13
Fair comment mate, you can only call anything as you see it and I think the lad is a decent defender who is extremely comfortable on the ball.
Obviously I don't watch him on a regal basis but every time I have seen him he looks very very good to me.

{Ed047's Note - I haven’t seen enough of him to really know to be honest 62 but it’s always a concern when you read stuff like that.

We probably put loads of people off signing Mustafi! 🤣


4.) 02 Jan 2020 23:33:18
Yeah very very good point Ed047! Let's just hope the ever brilliant jewel in our crown Xhaka signs a new 10 year contract and Nasty Jose doesn't upset every Arsenal fan across the world by making us a £75 million offer we can't refuse for him just because it would really really spoil our week :-)


 

 

28 Dec 2019 23:59:37
So hopefully Bellerin, Chambers, Holding and Ceballos back tomorrow - interesting to see who gets dropped and who keeps their spot. May be Chambers and Holding as the two CDs 🤞

Reading about Xhaha - seems that MA likes a deep playing left footed midfielder. So Torriera and Xhaka in CM roles with Ozil in the hole.

Big game tomorrow as the relegation battle heats up 😂.

SY4

1.) 29 Dec 2019 10:59:26
We are all talikg about a relegation battle half heartedly but if we are not careful it could actually happen and in the latter stages of a relegation battle it usually comes down to who's got the most fight determination and spirit, ooopps best we avid that battle at all costs:-)


2.) 30 Dec 2019 08:13:26
Unless we make a couple of signings, I fear for us. A CB and a DM are essential, plus a LB on loan.


3.) 30 Dec 2019 11:39:18
I hope any new signings have more of an impact than Pepe Cellabos and Tierney have made, personally I'd work on what we have and if our current squad aren't good enough to keep us up so be it.
Apart from staying up our premier league season is over and the summer will be the most sensible to reevaluate what we do and don't need. More panic buys to replace previous panic buys will only limit our future spending.
Take our time and get it right this time is best in my opinion.


4.) 30 Dec 2019 23:24:31
On paper and spend - it was a great window. A CD, striker, winger and left back yet it’s proved to be terrible -, 🤡, injuries, unsettled plus a great young striker as a consolation but our main striker ( Laca ) negates the consolation as he goes missing. 🤷‍♂️ You couldn’t make this rubbish up as the only position we didn’t sign but needed was a CDM. Yet we signed one in Torriera only to play him in Ozils role and drop Ozil 😂😂.


5.) 31 Dec 2019 03:00:02
A CB is crucial in January. Prices will be high but if I remember right VD was a January buy. Sometimes it can’t wait. As for CM, that should depend on xhaka. I believe in what arteta can do with this squad. Just not defensively. Chelsea had better stamina with a fit squad. That’s all.


6.) 31 Dec 2019 06:35:55
Sensible buys, not panic buys are needed, difficult in the January window. What we have is simply not good enough or too young and inexperienced.


7.) 31 Dec 2019 11:02:24
If the current squad really isn't good enough to finish top 17 then we really are in a mess.
Yes if a really good player became available who fitted 100% into how Artetta wants to do things and had a brilliant attitude why not?,
All I'm saying is we shouldn't need to buy more players to avoid relegation and if what we've already got really isn't capable of finishing top 17 so be it, Ipswich Peterborough Brentford here we come :-) .


8.) 01 Jan 2020 00:49:42
Gunner, I think you're doubting our squad too much. Emery coached Arsenal awfully and no fault of his as I'm sure he was trying he's hardest, got us playing in a bad way with no shape or idea for too long that there's some bad habits to cut out.

Arteta has been in charge a week and we had Chelsea in the first half with a very injured squad. Fitness and not a full squad is what killed us not to say they wouldn't have won all the same but the fact we was sluggish in the second half showed how far behind fitness wise we are to the other top teams.

As I said, A good CB is all we need right now to get us competing for CL standard. VD single handedly changed Liverpool to the team they are today and Laporte Cities best CB getting injured has killed City's season.


 

 

26 Sep 2019 23:14:24
Well, turns out he really can't make decisions. He can't even name a captain. I give up

Arsenal players held a secret vote to help Unai Emery decide on his new 'five captains'. with Granit Xhaka, Mesut Ozil, Rob Holding and David Luiz all in the running

Embarrassing like our defending and tactics.

Please do something noteworthy so I can post something positive Boss - like resign?

SY4

1.) 27 Sep 2019 17:14:09
Read Ormsteins version of events mate, sounds more like a plea for support of a player under pressure from the fans.
I doubt any kind of vote took place that's just social media or tabloid trouble making in my opinion now mate.


2.) 27 Sep 2019 19:02:55
On Twitter? That Emery consulted the players even though it’s taken this long and still can’t make a decision on Vice Captain. I still give up.


3.) 27 Sep 2019 20:05:16
On BBC mate.
As you know SY mate I would rather Emery wasn't our manager and Xhaka wasn't our player but I try to see thugs objectively and as unbiased as I possibly can.
True Emery Plays Xhaka regardless of his ability and performances and even made him captain before the season started all of which I totally I disagree with him on but I genuinely think today is about club and players rallying round and getting behind a colleague who is receiving difficult personal treatment from some fans.


4.) 27 Sep 2019 23:31:47
Per BBC : Emery told the squad of his decision on Friday, after consulting with players.

Per Holding:

Discussing Arsenal’s captaincy situation, Holding said: ‘We had a vote the other week so we’ll see what happens and see who gets named. ‘[We had to] write names down and then give them to the manager. He will go through them obviously with his input and then we’ll see what happens. ‘I don’t know [when the decision will be announced]. I think it will be in the next couple of days or weeks. I have no idea.

Sorry but the guy can’t make a simple decision.


5.) 27 Sep 2019 23:35:23
Why is Unai Emery asking his players to vote on who should be captain? It’s pathetic. Seriously. Make a decision!

When you start worrying about what your players think, you’re in trouble. And why does he need FIVE captains anyway?

Great points.


6.) 28 Sep 2019 08:27:47
Not much about what Emery does makes sense to me SY, the defensive side of our midfield and defence are worse now than before he arrived and that was the area that Arsene refused to address and ultimately it cost him his job.
Unfortunately we are with Emery righ back to exactly where we were with Arsene just waiting for someone somewhere to make the decision to let him go.


 

 

 

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24 Mar 2020 20:41:56
Love the insight into sportspeople's mind. In fact anyone elite in their arena.

Listened to a Tyson and Eminem podcast where Tyson was talking about how insecure he was because of his upbringing and race. He found a trainer who believed in him and told him he was the best. He then found his confidence to destroy opponents. On his way into the boxing ring his insecurity and drive for a better life made him want to kill his opponent in spectacular style. Insecurity - fear that his opponent is better than him and will beat him. His insecurity made him want to knock him out first. Whoever thought that would drive Tyson on.

Then I read this about Ruud. was he insecure about Henry being better or just wanting to be the best.

'You've had all these rivalries over the years, great players need great rivalries. They need rivalries. They should be looking at each other.

'Ruud van Nistelrooy used to come in the changing room after a game, trust me, we're trying to win the league, we've beat someone 3-1 or 4-1, he's scored one goal, he'll come in and look up to the TV [shake his head] and go "ohh".

'He sits down, [we'd ask] "Ruud, are you alright, what's wrong? ". And he'll reply, "nothing, nothing".

'Then someone will go, "Thierry has scored two today, Ruud has only scored one, so he's a goal behind now".

You read about Bolt, Phelps or even Pepe and his insecurities about City not getting the credit they deserve and finding every area to improve on despite a 7 nil win.

Top top performers just amaze me. There must be a fine line between genius and crazed person ( Cantona Kung Fu kick or Bergkamp raking his studs down an opponents shine because his first touch let him down or jumping on the chest of an opponent ) .

Not sure why I'm posting this ramble but the Ruud quote and the Tyson podcast got me thinking about how fragile some of the greats are and how confidence is so important. Wenger was always known to build a player's confidence to be their best. May be it didn't work out once we had a lower level of player who took advantage of the old fool being soft and trying to build confidence in a set of players who thought they were better than what they were. May be the had a soft up bringing and early big contracts that destroyed their "want" but gave them a "I deserve it" type attitude.

May be greatness is about being aware of your weaknesses, having slightly low esteem but a desire to be better because you come from a more humble background so you have a huge "want" in life. Kanu playing football with a stone as a kid.

Who knows and sorry, feel a bit like Sanchez. Held onto the conversation too long and ran down a corridor going nowhere but seemed to put a lot of effort in due to the number of words on the page. 😂😂

Hope everyone is safe and sound.

SY4

1.) 24 Mar 2020 21:56:58
So far so good thank you mate and hope al ok with you too. Its brilliant news that both the number of new cases and numbers of people losing thier lives per day are starting to go down in Italy.

It's a very scary and emotional time for us all right now, I saw yesterday that 22 Italian doctors had lost their lives in the worst infected areas but despite these terribly sad figures other doctors are volunteering to carry on their efforts in those areas, I have so much administration for their courage and commitment.


2.) 25 Mar 2020 19:54:05
Glad to hear all is well with you both. SY4,I think the key message from your post, and one that I agree with 100%, is that people respond very well to encouragement, and especially so when it’s from someone they look up to. I am lucky that I have had good people guiding me along in both my work and personal life over the years, and now I am the one in the slightly more “senior” role, I try to do the same.


 

 

24 Mar 2020 15:48:04
So in 2009 we could have signed Xabi Alonso and he was desperate to sign and Cesc wanted him to sign. We submitted a 15m offer, 3m short and missed out. We could have had him and Cesc in the middle of midfield but "fluffed" our lines again.

Frustrating and I assume true based on Cesc's very open interview.

SY4

{Ed047's Note - we’ve fluffed so many things over the last 10-15yrs mate so for me it’s just another to add to all the other disappointments.


1.) 24 Mar 2020 17:14:24
I agree Ed047 there are so many players we could and should have signed but didn't which has all accumulated into the Arsenal we see today.

But what's done is done and until our scouts spot a time machine on their travels there is no changing what's already happend.

Mistakes were made but those who made them are no longing making the decisions.

{Ed047's Note - yes mate, all history and all about what happens next for me.


2.) 24 Mar 2020 20:07:16
Why buy him when we had Denílson.

. Almunia ( why )
Sagna Sol Gallas Clichy
. Cesc
Diaby Alonso Nasri
. Arshavin
. RVP Eduardo

Bench- Rosicky, Song, Vela, Walcott, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Fabianski ( why)

Decent team - 4 keepers in the squad and not a clean sheet between them.
This squad should have one the bloody league. Clichy diving in and Gallas hysterics and Eduardo broken league need their hopes.


3.) 24 Mar 2020 21:06:34
Agree with a top 10 keeper that team could have competed big style SY, no personal disrespect to Almunia as a person but there were probably 15 better keepers in the premier league at that time than he was, i definitely said so at the time and moaned a lot about it at the time and for a while afterwards but it's all ancient history now mate and where is the benefit of looking back so far, looking back at what was wrong the previous season has real benefit but 10+ years ago? It's just self torture mate.


4.) 24 Mar 2020 23:13:56
Agreed - three 3 made me do it. Diaby discussion, Cesc interview about Alonso and someone asked about a bad decision ( Clichy diving in ) . need to stop. Glad all good with you.


5.) 25 Mar 2020 11:37:09
Think about Emilia mate :-) that should take your mind off Arsenal's failings.
If you had the choice of two weeks on a desert island with just you Emilia and an endless supply of fine wine or Arsenal getting an extra 2 points 20 years ago which one would you choose :-)


 

 

22 Mar 2020 17:57:40
Just watched a video of the game when we lost to Utd when we were about to go 50 games unbeaten. We were robbed and ref plus Rooney was a disgrace. Reyes got booted off the bloody pitch, how Ferdinand wasn't send off for tackle on Freddie who was clean thru. I was annoyed at time and annoyed again. Utd were cheats

Wenger summed it up

"We lost our status as Invincibles against Man Utd in a game where referees shared some of the responsibility. It wasn't deserved. When I die, I'm going to ask God where the referees are before I choose between Heaven and Hell. "

Rooney was the biggest bully of Refs and diver - just a joke and hopefully that's never forgotten despite his trophies.

SY4

1.) 22 Mar 2020 18:30:48
And when Perez dived against Portsmouth and won the penalty to to make the invincibles possible in the first place :-)
I bet your a NIMBY SY mate :-) .


 

 

21 Mar 2020 20:45:59
So, if he thought this

"Thierry Henry, " Ferdinand said in response to a question about the best striker he'd played against. "I know, I used to watch on TV or I'd look in the tunnel when I was in there and some players I would see thinking 'Woah, it's Thierry Henry, look'. "

"It was that effect he had on people. There's only a handful of players I've seen in time that have that effect. He was one of them. I'd see some players shrink in the tunnel.

"When I watched the game on TV and I see the tunnel I'm thinking 'Before the game's even started, before that man's head hit his pillow last night, Thierry was in his brain. Thierry had finished him off. ' Some big players as well. "

What do opponents think when they look at our defence and midfield in the tunnel. they must dream of our defence sleeping or Xhaka taking forever to turn. how far exactly have we fallen behind our 04 team?

SY4

1.) 21 Mar 2020 22:11:30
I've been watching a lot of the 90s and early 2000 games and seriously how quick was football back then, it was direct and players played with drive and not too much ticky tacka rubbish we see these days that bores out of sometimes.


2.) 22 Mar 2020 08:22:58
Yep - used to love seeing Cole get the ball and bolt down the left wing giving the ball to Robbie or Henry, Within 20 seconds we could go from defending a corner, goalie actually catching the ball and starting that counter attack.

We could take - how long now.


 

 

14 Mar 2020 22:54:42
Ed,
If the season is cancelled. What happens for European football next season, promotions, relgstions etc. Will we just pretend this season didn't exist?
Thanks.

SY4

{Ed002's Note - The most likely option is the line drawn acriss - qualify or don't.}


1.) 15 Mar 2020 05:35:08
From the reports I have read I cannot foresee football starting up again for at least 3 to 4 months, possibly longer. The Euros must be in serious doubt.
If this is the case then, as unfair as it seems, the domestic and European competitions will not be concluded and the season 2019-20 will remain unfinished.

Again, as unfair as it may seem, next season will have to be a re-run of 2019-20. You cannot award any trophies for this season unless they have been won. I cannot think of any other way to rectify the problem that is both logical and fair. I am not even certain that next season will start on schedule. In the scheme of things, of course, ending this terrible virus is the main objective.


2.) 15 Mar 2020 09:14:56
Right now most clubs and I'm sure most fans are all wanting a decision that suits them and their club best.
All teams in relegation trouble will want a null and void season out of self interest while I'm sure Liverpool Leicester Sheffield United Leeds and all other clubs in a healthy promotion position will be keen to finish this season whenever possible to do so.
But how clubs and fans feel right now might not be how they feel in 3,4 5 6 or 12 months time, maybe the me me me mentality that exists for SOME right now might not be anything like as important by the time the crises is over.
The longer things go on the more relieved we will all be when it's over and things that seem really really important to some people now might not seem anywhere near as important then.


3.) 15 Mar 2020 11:51:59
So what happens when contracts run out 1st June if season extended? I hope we get a chance to compete for European spot and Pool get to be champions

Calling now the end seems wrong - rematch May seems fairer! Everyone in the same boat and equal. Ending now isn’t.

{Ed001's Note - I don't think anyone knows what will happen as nothing like this has happened before.}


4.) 15 Mar 2020 12:26:53
Agree Ed001 it's all unknowable by anyone because we are totally uncharted waters.

{Ed001's Note - though it is quite worrying that nobody seems to have any plans in place to deal with these kind of issues. There should have been some kind of action plan to hand that could be immediately implemented and followed. The Premier League is a multi-billion dollar corporation with no contingency plan for a stoppage, even though it has happened twice before in history. How poorly led are they that they only react to situations, never prepare in advance?}


5.) 15 Mar 2020 13:07:04
True Ed001 mate and lessons will be learned in the short term at least.
It's been 50 years since Europe and many other parts of the world have experienced anything like this and obviously time has made us complacent but life after this crises has past is going to be very different to life before it started not just in football but evey walk of life.
Wolves are having their best season in living memory but reading the words and looking at the actions of their chairman this morning it's clear some are already reconsidering what's really important and what matters most.

{Ed001's Note - all seems ridiculously OTT to me. The whole thing and massive over reaction to it is just embarrassing.}


6.) 15 Mar 2020 14:19:10
Hope your 100% right Ed001 it would be brilliant if all the reactions are proved OTT, I would be sooooo happy to laugh at myself if my concerns are proved irrational your right, it's definitely what I'm hoping for :-)

{Ed001's Note - the reactions are OTT. It has already been shown to be so. What is causing all the problems are the panicky tools who spread it rather than seeking treatment because they were frightened. If people had stopped panicking and trying to flee when it began (which was caused by the sensationalist crap in the media), they could have been isolated and treated and we would be well on the way to having the vaccine. Instead we had it spread everywhere by people with no real need as they would have been fine if they had just stayed put.}


7.) 15 Mar 2020 15:04:31
I totally agree with all that, people leaving the infected areas through panic has lead to all the people of Italy suffering and unnecessary deaths.

If all those in infected areas had stayed put there would be far fewer people needing expert treatment so all resources could have been centred on them if need be rather that scattered far and wide as they are now.

It's the UK herd immunisation plan that is scary because the 60% needed to become infected and recover to make immunisation possible will come at a very high cost to those unable to recover and of course their families too,1% mortality rate is 400,000 lives lost IF we could possibly stop it at the 60,000 needed once we reach it.

We should have been earlier and should be now doing more to contain and deal with the smallest numbers of cases possible.

Many counties have now closed their borders and although hindsight is a luxury if everyone had closed borders on new years day and put all their efforts into finding a vaccine the world might be a little poorer financially but much much healthier physically.

Lost lives are unrecoverable whole economies collapse and recover on a regular basis.


8.) 16 Mar 2020 21:15:46
Ed001 / gunner62 I don’t want to sound too OTT but I find it bordering on prejudice to say if people had just stayed put and their actions led to the Italians suffering. We are living in capitalist and global world with almost total free movement of peoples.

It’s apparently a flu like virus or disease and you can be infected and spread it without showing any symptoms. China, Europe and America are the centre of globalisation, capital and market opportunities so people will be travelling back and forth between these places in numbers. So it’s likely to have been in the West from the heights of winter.

I do believe the media is sensationalising the whole issue but clearly they are being allowed to do so by governments. If it was say a conventional war we would have had so much details. Governments influence or seek corporation from their media outlets in time of war. They could spread the narrative various narratives e. g. the seasonal flu kill more people than they expect this will, but no they are allowing fear to be the order of the day.


9.) 16 Mar 2020 21:52:45
Tricky 62 - we live with the flu, we may need to live with Covid 19. Surely we need to all get it in a controlled way until there’s a vaccine. It must be a nightmare for the workers at a number of tourist related small businesses, airlines, theatres, secondary market around events as summer will be a disaster. Sure this will have a huge impact on wellbeing / mental health. Virgin asking employees to take 8 weeks unpaid but will still need to pay mortgages. Thought Boris presented a solid approach in a non panicked manner. There will be casualties - hopefully not too many and we come out of this stronger and with an economy that provides jobs for everyone. Tough tough job.

Despite a balanced approach by Government - public still panicking. I really wish Labour would shut up and help when the nation needs it best people to help the nation in its darkest hours for a number of years.

Do you really think isolation will be adhered to and really drive out the virus? Doesn’t seem sensibly but nor does killing the economy nor does infecting everyone.

What would you suggest?


 

 

 

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19 Mar 2020 08:18:11
A bit light weight to be Vieira or Petit while likes too many
touches to be a creator of chances. Reminds me of a number of Arsenal midfielders where we would end up playing 3 in the middle and none specialist at anything

Huge gamble at 36m that makes no sense to me.

SY4

 

 

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09 Feb 2020 12:01:42
That could be a midfield 3 of

Granit - Torriera with Rambo Judy in front of them instead of Ozil

That’s a pretty good midfield - put Matteo on loan or on the bench as he’s not good enough or consistent enough yet.

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09 Feb 2020 11:59:48
Rambo as the B2B midfielder - played right he could be our solution and his work rate is spot on, Mikel will stop the flicks plus he has epl experience. Brucie Bonus - he can score unlike the rest of our midfield.

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03 Feb 2020 20:39:18
Thanks Ed - frustrating an 11th hour offer comes in for a player we need to shift and we can’t close it out. If he’s not in the long term plans, don’t get why we didn’t cash in or why They waited so late to bid for MO10. Sounds like Lemar was an option for us. never mind at least we signed an injured left back and an unproven CD 😂😂

Quality window 😫.

SY4

 

 

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01 Feb 2020 14:26:34
Emile Smith Rowe (Huddersfield Town, loan)
James Olayinka (Northampton Town, loan)
Ben Sheaf (Doncaster Rovers, loan)
Tyreece John-Jules (Lincoln City, loan)
Konstantinos Mavropanos (Nurnberg, loan)
Deyan Iliev (Jagiellonia Bialystok, loan)

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26 Mar 2020 19:19:17
When did you finish 18.32.

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24 Mar 2020 23:13:56
Agreed - three 3 made me do it. Diaby discussion, Cesc interview about Alonso and someone asked about a bad decision ( Clichy diving in ) . need to stop. Glad all good with you.

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24 Mar 2020 20:07:16
Why buy him when we had Denílson.

. Almunia ( why )
Sagna Sol Gallas Clichy
. Cesc
Diaby Alonso Nasri
. Arshavin
. RVP Eduardo

Bench- Rosicky, Song, Vela, Walcott, Vermaelen, Gibbs, Fabianski ( why)

Decent team - 4 keepers in the squad and not a clean sheet between them.
This squad should have one the bloody league. Clichy diving in and Gallas hysterics and Eduardo broken league need their hopes.

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24 Mar 2020 00:04:35
Nice summary 47 - looked to be heading in right direction then one terrible tackle from a thug of an anti-football side.

Then never fit enough for long enough to get back to where he was - cruel world.

He could cover so much ground so quickly - if not for that injury, his and our history could have been different as in him we could have replaced PV4.

SY4

{Ed047's Note - I remember being genuinely excited watching him play thinking exactly that SY.

A real, real shame, for both us and him.


 

 

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22 Mar 2020 08:22:58
Yep - used to love seeing Cole get the ball and bolt down the left wing giving the ball to Robbie or Henry, Within 20 seconds we could go from defending a corner, goalie actually catching the ball and starting that counter attack.

We could take - how long now.

SY4